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i am chris wallace. governor mike pence and his first sunday interview since becoming donald trump's running mate, only on fox news sunday. on his role in the campaign. >> are you the clean up crew? >> top republicans declaring never trump. they say we can't trust donald trump to be commander in chief. >> and trump's claim president obama and hillary clinton founded isis. now trump says that he was being sarcastic. governor, which is it? governor mike pence, one on one. then new questions about the relationship between the clinton
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foundation and the state department. we will talk with senator claire mccaskill, top clinton supporters about possibility of an fbi investigation. plus the candidates clash over the economy. >> he wants america to work for him and his friends at the expense of everyone else. >> every policy she has tilts the playing field toward other countries. at our expense. >> we will ask the sunday panel what their plans do for your pocketbook. all right now. on fox news sunday. hello again from fox news in washington. it has been quite a week for both presidential candidates. donald trump and hillary clinton laid out their programs to get the economy growing faster, and both had to deal with new controversy. trump from self inflicted wounds, clinton from e-mails that show a cozy relationship between the clinton foundation and her state department.
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friday we traveled to indianapolis, home of mike pence. in his first sunday show interview since the convention, we talked about challenges facing both campaigns. governor pence, welcome back to fox news sunday. thank you for inviting us to the governor residence. >> thanks, chris. welcome back to indiana. >> do you believe hillary clinton was involved in a pay to play arrangement as secretary of state with big donors to the clinton foundation? >> looks that way more and more every day, doesn't it. the new e-mails that have been made public just in the last week seem to make a direct connection between favors done by state department officials and major foreign donors to the clinton foundation. but the american people have a right to know. i think people of this country are tired of the pay to play politics in washington, d.c. and i promise you that when donald trump and i ride to the white house, we're going to bring all of that to an end. >> do you have any evidence that she actually took actions as a
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result of these big donations, when you say the american people have a right to know, do you think there should be a federal investigation? >> certainly officials at the fbi we found out this week believe there should be an investigation and obama's department of justice apparently shut that down. look, these are very serious allegations. now we have evidence in writing in the e-mail chain of connections between foreign donors for the clinton foundation and officials at the state department. >> the response to that? >> we need to find out. the public has a right to know. really and truly this is exactly the kind of pay to play politics the american people are sick and tired of. frankly, it is just one more example of the way the clintons have been operating over the last 30 years, one of the reasons why the american people
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have a fixed opinion about hillary clinton and her trustworthiness and why we need to collect donald trump as next president of the united states. >> donald trump opened a new line of attack against hillary clinton saying she and obama were the most valuable players for isis. >> isis is honoring president obama. he is the founder of isis, the founder of isis, okay? he's the founder. he founded isis. and i would say the co-founder would be crooked hillary clinton. >> you and he spent a day defending his remarks saying they were serious. now trump says that he was being sarcastic. so governor, which is it? >> well, i think he was being very serious and he was making the point that needs to be made.
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that there's no question that failed policies of president barack obama and secretary of state hillary clinton in a wider middle east created a vacuum within iraq in which isis was able to rise. >> why is he saying he was sarcastic? >> well, he was making a serious point. >> why would he say he was being sarcastic? >> he was make ago serious point. donald trump has a way of getting people's attention and strong attention to an important issue. there was a time the democrat president knew where the buck stopped in the white house and responsibility for the failed policies in the middle east that created the environment where isis developed belongs to president barack obama and secretary of state hillary clinton and the american people know that. >> governor, those are all perfectly legitimate points to make, but that isn't what trump said. he said that obama and clinton were the most valuable players of isis, that they were co-founders of isis. then he said i was just being
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sarcastic about it, just like he was sarcastic about inviting rush to release e-mails of hillary clinton. isn't the sarcastic excuse getting a bit old? >> no, i don't think it is getting old at all, chris. donald trump made his way through a very competitive primary because he spoke not like a typical politician but plainly like an everyday american, and speaking plainly is exactly what the american people will anticipate in the course of this election, and more importantly a president that will tell them exactly what's on his mind and the american people will hear him loud and clear. >> trump is making what your campaign calls a major speech monday about radical islamic terrorism. up to this point he has not offered really any details as to how he would beat isis. so what is his plan? >> well, get ready, monday in ohio and i'll be with him that day, he'll do what he did this last monday on his economic plan. he is going to layout his vision and his strategy for defeating
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radical islamic terrorism. specifics? i think be ready for a vision but also for real specifics about how new leadership in the white house, a change in direction in the white house and the kind of broad shouldered leadership that donald trump will bring will make the country more safe. >> this week 50 former top national security officials, all of them republican, said they could not vote for donald trump. so did a respected moderate republican senator, susan collins, and what they said was that he's too reckless to be president. >> we all felt strongly enough about what we believe to be a clear and present danger that we felt compelled to say what we said. >> we are talking sir, about senior senator, former head of cia, two former secretaries of homeland security, they say we can't trust donald trump to be commander in chief. >> well, you know, i am old enough to remember a president you covered a few years back who
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was running for president in 1979, they were saying the same. broad shoulder approach to foreign policy. that has been part of the policies that put the world stage in the condition it is today, anxiety about clear eyed leadership he will bring. >> trump and clinton offered economic plans. there were differences especially on taxes. trump cuts taxes on the rich, clinton raises them. trump wants to repeal estate tax that exempts first $5,000 for an individual, clinton raises estate tax. trump wants a tax deduction to cover child care expenses. clinton says expanding that helps lower income families more. why shouldn't middle class families look at the plans and say on taxes, clinton offers
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them a better deal? >> i think not only middle class americans like my wife and i but every american knows pathway to prosperity in this country is not found in raising taxes. hillary clinton's planning over a trillion dollars in tax increases. that 47 minute speech she did, it was over a trillion dollars in new spending. what donald trump laid out was in a real sense what's worked here in indiana, what worked in republican led states around the country, and that is let people keep more of what they earn. you unleash the power of the economy by rolling back regulation and red tape, repealing obamacare, end the war on coal, and develop all of the energy resources of the land, then tougher and smarter trade deals. that will get the economy moving again. hillary clinton's plan is more of the same old same old failed policies that led us to a place where, chris, we are in the
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middle of the slowest economic recovery since the great depression. >> trump would cut business income to 15%. clinton says the result of that is that trump would give himself a big tax cut. she even has a name for it. >> let's call it the trump loophole because it would allow him to pay less than half the current tax rate on income from many of his companies. he'd pay a lower rate than millions of middle class families. >> the trump loophole? >> the united states has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the western world, chris, and it is driving jobs out of this country and donald trump is committed not only to cutting taxes across the board for every american but also lowering the corporate tax rate so that businesses large and small can be competitive. >> what we are talking about is something called pass through business income.
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analysts say two-thirds of that income goes to the top 1%. so if he's cutting the income tax rate for this kind of business income, two-thirds goes to the top 1%. they're making out, not the middle class. >> i don't think the american people spend time that people on the left and hillary clinton and their supporters spend picking winners and losers in the economy. the american people know if we have the right policies, everybody wins. and we are living in a time for more than a decade, real personal income has been stagnant. so i know that hillary clinton and her team say the expectations that donald trump articulated were wildly unrealistic. what i think is wildly unrealistic is electing the same people with new ideas getting a different result. >> you had an interesting exchange on the campaign trail.
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>> i have been noticing you were stopping on mr. trump's words. is this going to be your role in the administration? >> sometimes things don't always come out like you mean. >> are you the clean up crew? >> i couldn't be more honored to be campaigning shoulder to shoulder with a man i believe will be the next president of the united states. >> if you have to clean up, you have to explain things he said? >> look, we have different styles. as i told that little boy, we have exactly the same convictions, we both believe we can make america great again if we return to time honored principles, standing tall on the world stage, the military, unleerk the full economy, and letting people stand tall. >> trump band reporters he thinks are unfair from attending campaign events. you said you were going to talk about that. have you gotten him to lift the black list? >> i don't think donald trump is having problems getting press at
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this point. >> serious question of his banning people. you have a strong feeling about a free press. have you gotten him to change his mind? >> we will keep our private conversations private. that's an on-going discussion in the campaign. i do believe in the public's right to know, whether it is about the latest allegations about hillary clinton or otherwise. we will continue to advance that principle. >> you have been running for office, winning office, serving the country about a quarter century. when you hear donald trump go after a gold star family, when you hear him refusing to endorse someone like paul ryan, when you hear him suggest he might not defend nato allies, as a serious man do you ever shake your head? >> i really couldn't be more honored to stand shoulder to
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shoulder with donald trump. he has not spent his lifetime in politics. he speaks his mind and his heart. i believe he will be a great president of the united states. >> people are concerned about his temperament because of statements he makes in public. what do you say to people with those doubts. they think i am not crazy about hillary clinton but i'm scared of donald trump. >> i would say stay tuned. it is very early in the campaign. this coming monday, you'll see a vision for confronting radical islamic terrorism. last week you heard a bristling approach to growing the economy. >> you're saying don't give up? >> i am saying stay tuned. it is early in the campaign. i am just very confident. >> talk about you and your record. you signed a religious freedom law last year under heavy fire you agreed to soften. do you believe a business owner, person who owns a bakery,
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photography shop, whatever, should have the right to refuse to serve a gay if he feels it violates religious convictions. >> chris, if i was in a restaurant, saw someone denied service because they were gay, my family wouldn't eat there again. i don't believe in discrimination or support discrimination against anyone. but when there's a conflict of rights here in our society, those are the purview of the courts. i believe that efforts we made in indiana contributed to being able to resolve those things as americans have done through generations. >> finally you signed an abortion bill this year that bans a woman from getting an abortion because her fetus has genetic abnormalities. i know that you would like to see roe versus wade reversed, but why does the state have authority to limit reasons a woman has to end her pregnancy?
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>> i am pro-life, i don't apologize for it. i would like to see roe versus wade overturned. but we took a stand in the state of indiana that frankly many countries have taken that abortions for the reason of race or sex are morally offensive and we stand by that. we also cherish those with disabilities in the state of indiana and taking a step in the direction of protecting the unborn who are facing physical challenges and disabilities. i think it is the right thing to do. >> do you still believe that, a woman should not -- >> it is before the courts now, the courts will resolve that matter. >> you still believe that? >> i believe in sanctity of life, i stand for that principle and i am grateful to be standing with donald trump in his strong commitment to right to life. >> governor, thank you.
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safe travels on the campaign trail. please come back. >> great to be with you. up next, democratic senator claire mccaskill, one of hillary clinton's earliest supporters responds to governor pence and to new questions about links between the clinton foundation and hillary clinton's state department. we always were told we were german. we were in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i'm scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt.
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donald trump pulling ahead in key states. joining me, senator claire mccaskill, one of the first members of congress to endorse clinton for president. the state department released more e-mails this week under a lawsuit that raised serious questions about the link between the clinton foundation and the state department when hillary clinton was the secretary there. you heard governor pence say the american people have a right to know if there was a pay to play situation. do you support the idea of an investigation? >> first of all, let's get this context, chris. this was a right wing partisan organization, judicial watch, that's been after hillary clinton for decades. they got thousands of e-mails. they released two of them, trying to give perception of a problem. if you really look at the two e-mails, one was about recommending a former staffer for a job and the other was somebody who wanted to give the state department information.
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there's no evidence that hillary clinton ever changed anything she did in the state department based on activities of the clinton foundation, there's none. >> let's look at the second case you're talking about. this involved a fellow named doug ban who was a top official at the clinton foundation. he e-mails human a abedin to arrange for gilbert is a gory who contributed $1,000 to the foundation to talk to a top u.s. official. senator mccaskill, you don't have a problem with big donors to the foundation getting favors from the state department? >> first of all, all this gentleman wanted to do was give information. he was asking for nothing. >> you don't know that. that's what gilbert says. the fellow who is then in trouble with the law had to give back millions of dollars. he says he wanted to talk to tell them about his insight into
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the election in lebanon. we don't know if that's true. >> well, we do know this. we know there's no evidence based on what the state department has said in the last few days, based on all of the investigations that have been done around an unprecedented release of e-mails in government that there are no laws that have been broken, there's no evidence to indicate pay to play. this is a distraction for the trump campaign which is a dumpster fire at this point. i think they are anxious to try to get people to look here and here. if you look at what donald trump is doing, in many ways it is frightening. >> i am going to get to that in a minute. i want to ask another question with regard to this. you say no favoritism. talk about another case, rajiw hernando, securities trader that gave at least $1 million to the
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foundation and appointed to international security advisory board, senator, although he had absolutely no qualifications and no experience in that area. >> i'm not sure that was a good idea on the other hand. i think everyone glosses over the fact that this foundation was doing charitable work around the world. how much time has been given to talk about the work of the clinton foundation. this wasn't money going in the clinton family pocket, this is money to fight malaria, aids, and lower child mortality around the globe. >> you can't argue that that justifies putting a big donor on an official advisory board who had no experience in that area and when that fact that he was on the board was revealed, he quit within 24 hours. >> well, i will just say i don't know why he quit, i don't know why he was appointed. i do know this.
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no one has been investigated more than hillary clinton in the history of presidential politics. i know when jim comey was lauded by the republicans prior to him saying no law had been broken, they changed their tune when he didn't give them the answer they wanted. and frankly donald trump is on a campaign to undermine law enforcement in this country by eating at the fabric of trust in the fbi which i think is really unfortunate. >> let's talk about the economic plan that clinton unveiled this week. she would raise taxes $1.2 trillion over the decade as i said to governor pence, almost all on the rich. she wants $1.4 trillion more in government spending, including 275 billion more for infrastructure, and wants more regulation. question, senator. isn't that more of the same obama policies that have given us the weakest recovery since 1949?
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>> well, i would argue that trump's economic plan is more of the same because once again it is all about helping the 1%. i don't think donald trump understands most americans are frustrated with the shrinking of the middle class. it is a real contrast between two economic plans. one is about, yes, infrastructure, which we desperately need. the other is about giving himself a tax break. same old same old. let's take care of the very wealthy while middle class families struggle to send kids to college. i think she's representing change in terms of what the economy needs. he is representing what we have got now. >> you talk about stagnating middle class, no wage increases for the middle class. clinton is talking higher taxes, more regulation, more government
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spending. that's been the obama policy the last 8 years. isn't she offering the same old same old? and let me say, in terms of infrastructure, there was a big stimulus package and when obama first came in, we still have all of these problems with a weak recovery. we had 75 straight months of job growth because of economic policies of this administration, but we know we have to do more. we have to make sure college is a reachable goal for all americans, not just donald trump's family. we need to make sure the rich pay their fair share which clearly they are not. i think we are looking at one candidate laying out a road map.
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>> let's turn to donald trump's charge that hillary clinton was a founder of isis. while that was clearly over the top, the fact is she was secretary of state at the time that the obama administration pulled all u.s. troops out of iraq, she was the secretary of state pushing obama to intervene in libya which helped create a vacuum that isis helped fill. doesn't she bear some responsibility if not the founder, some responsibility for the rise of isis? >>. >> language donald trump used as relates to isis is disrespectful to the military fighting isis. we took out 8 tankers, mortar, hit a tactical unit. we shrunk the area of isis in iraq by 40%. we shrunk the area of isis in syria by 20%. the men and women risking their lives every day through orders
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of their commander in chief, when they hear a presidential candidate act like they're on their side. >> in fairness, he isn't criticizing or denigrating the work of the military, he is saying president obama and hillary clinton made some bad decisions that led to the current situation. isis rose up. we couldn't leave the troops in iraq, even if the president wanted to because parliament in iraq was refusing to give immunity. trump thinks the status of forces agreement is a couch at mira log oh. that was a relevant part of this. it was also important to realize that assad by what he did in his
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country allowed isis to move into what was then iraq, al qaeda, into syria and get strongholds. that was the work and support of putin who is trump's best buddy. you can say trump and his friend putin are the founder of isis which would be more accurate than calling out the commander in chief in that way. i am glad for the last comment. that will get trump's attention. senator mccaskill, thanks for your time. always good to talk with you. >> thank you. up next, more on the controversy facing both candidates. we bring in the sunday group to discuss that. and the growing clinton lead in the polls. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about the clinton foundation and potential fbi investigation? just go to facebook or twitter at fox news sunday. we may use your question on the air. ♪ i'm going to make this as simple as possible for you.
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donald trump simply does not have the temperament to be president and commander in chief of the united states. >> hillary clinton said i don't like his tone. see, i don't like her temperament because her temperament is the temperament of a loser. we need a tough temperament.
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>> hillary clinton and donald trump each getting personal about why the other is unfit to be president. it is time now for the sunday brew. syndicated columnist george will, bob woodward from "the washington post," charles lane also from the post, and rachel campos-duffy national spokesperson for the libre initiative. it is hard to keep up with all of the commercial things that donald trump says. here are highlights just from this week. >> if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. having a tremendous problem in utah, it is a different place. is anybody here from utah? i mean -- >> so i said the founder, obviously i am being sarcastic.
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then but not that sarcastic to be honest with you. >> rachel, you are a trump supporter, does any of that give you pause? >> let me say personally for me personally, i think between trump and hillary i am #neverhillary. my organization is a nonprofit that's nonpartisan. i am here representing them. listen, here's the lesson from this week for him. if this campaign is about trump, trump loses, if it is about hillary clinton, supreme court judges, her dismal record as secretary of state, then i think he has a shot of winning. i want to point out one double standard here. back in april hillary said, quote, his insulting language toward muslims makes him the recruiting sergeant for isis. this was not even a blip in the news cycle. i think it is more proof that the media focuses on things that make all you guys and me
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included nervous, things that trump says versus things that she has done that ought to scare us. things like the corruption, the lies, the lack of conscience, and making the world more dangerous under her watch. >> other than that, she's doing a heck of a job. >> other than that, doing great. >> troops, self inflicted wounds or cover seems to be catching up with them. there were bad numbers from swing states. in florida, trump is down five. in north carolina he is down nine. in virginia trump down 13. and in colorado down 14. chuck, we are three weeks from labor day tomorrow. how serious is this? >> terribly serious for donald trump and especially serious in the following way. every time he has gotten into trouble in the past his answer has been to say look at my polls or look at my ratings.
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the way he harps on poll numbers and so on, that's been his answer to everything. now he doesn't have that answer. polls are showing the american people, especially in swing states are being turned off by the things he's saying. there was a theory of a trump victory that went something like this. he will take some old blue states and turn them red. now what's happened is purple states are turning blue. >> like utah. >> people are talking about he could lose utah, yeah. >> then there's hillary clinton and the latest e-mails which seem to indicate a cozy relationship between the clinton foundation and big donors there and hillary clinton state department. bob, what do you make of all of this money going to the foundation or going for huge fees for bill clinton speeches
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and how the state department treated those people. >> i mean serious unanswered questions. if i can step back a moment, what's going on here, what's this all about with her and with trump. in the case of trump i have really no idea what he might do if he ever became president. if you look at the statements, proposals, ideas, it is kind of a garage sale. i don't know that there's a rembrant behind that lawn mower that won't start but i haven't seen it. and he has not communicated that. she has somewhat communicated what she would do, but e-mails, her personal e-mails, remember the fbi director said there are thousands of e-mails, work related, that were not turned
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over. there are those top secret discussions, very, very serious. >> let me pick it up on the foundation. that was the new news this week and one case, doug ban, who was a top official at the foundation, the clinton campaign says no, he wasn't working there, he was working as a personal aide, which he was also, to president clinton, not in his role as top official of the foundation and not as the head of the clinton global initiative, but isn't that part of the problem, that this public and private all got mixed up? >> of course. but the e-mails all go together. it's not just the clinton foundation. what's on her personal e-mail server. i mean, look, thousands of things that were not turned over. you find democrats talking to reporters who cover national security asking do you know anything? what's going on?
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they're holding their breath that there might be something here that would be damaging to her candidacy and even worse, damaging to the national security. >> we asked you for questions for the panel and we asked about the clinton foundation. we got this on twitter from john carney. he tweeted why did justice department not pursue this, about links to the clinton foundation. was obama giving clinton another free pass? how do you answer john and do you think the links between the nexus between the foundation and clinton global initiative, the big fees for clinton speeches and her work as secretary of state is going to be a problem for her administration? >> it will be if the media makes it such, that is the irs scandal, defining scandal of this administration, this advocacy from conservative groups died from media lack of interest. you mentioned a moment ago that
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public and private got tangled up. hillary clinton looks at the world through the lens of progressive. a progressive believes the government should be everywhere in everything, that everything is political. a natural consequence. there's a blurring of the distinction between public and private life. therefore it is natural to flow from that you extend a state department employee to new york to work on foundation business, foreign governments, with interests, and the state department would give to the foundation and things would get tangled up. will this matter in the end? first of all, it is complex. second it is very hard to demonstrate. you saw claire mccaskill deny it, quid pro quo connection is always hard. third question, will the media drive this, and finally with the clintons responding this is old news, the question is can they
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run out the clock between now and election day. and my answer is probably. >> the clock has run out for this panel. we're going to take a break. when we come back, clinton and trump layout competing visions for america's economic future. we go into the proposals on tax and jobs when we come back.
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there's a myth out there that he will stick it to the rich and powerful because somehow he's really on the side of the little guy. don't believe it. >> all hillary clinton has to offer is more of the same, more taxes, more regulations, more
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bureaucrats, more restrictions on american energy and on american production. more of that. >> hillary clinton and donald trump each arguing why they're the one to get the economy growing faster. we are back with the panel. george, how do you compare the trump and clinton economic plans when it comes to taxes and spending in. >> agree on two things, one the infrastructure they want to use low cost borrowing environment to double down on that. second, they want to change tax treatment in some way or another to repatriate $2 trillion overseas in american corporate earnings. she wants to double down on the regulatory state, more regulation, higher taxes, more governmental occasion of wealth and opportunity. he wants to double down on the 1980s that had a stimulating effect, tax cut and later regulation. the problem is the architecture of the federal budget.
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67% of the budget goes to entitlement programs. another 7% to debt service. another 17% to defense. to those of you keeping score. 91% of the federal budget. more uncontrollables, you won't up with 6.5% of the federal budget with discretionary spending. they're going to do all of in for that? defies -- >> a pipe dream for both of them you say. >> the money is not there. even barack obama thinks in his heart, he has said yeah, it is inconceivable we don't have some sort of entitlement reform that's almost all of the budget and soon will be. there's this obstacle best we can tell, if hillary is
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president, these things are happening. george is saying the liberal progressive state is at least stalled in the middle of the road now. >> big problem with the american people. >> there is opportunity here. rolling back will stimulate business opportunities for americans. if you don't mind, i want to talk quickly. this is an important demographic. this is the most entrepreneurial demo to start businesses three times the rate of the average american. that's an opportunity for donald trump as a successful business man to talk about how his plan will help start new businesses, make it easier to create them, make it easier to roll back taxes. frankly, he is not taking that opportunity and might have actually ruined any chances from earlier comments.
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however, there's an opportunity in florida which is an important state, we asked a thousand families, people with experience in real time the effects. there's a conversation to be had. >> this is the question i raised with claire mccaskill, that hillary clinton's plan which is tax increases on wealthy, more regulation, more spending, government spending, things like infrastructure is obama 2.0. >> in a way just democratic party doctrine going back decades. in that sense, obama 2.0. obama was a democrat. what strikes me as new and different about the democrats this year is the abandonment of free trade and free trade agreements. hillary clinton as secretary of state supported the trans-pacific partnership that barack obama championed with republican support and has been
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forced off that by bernie sanders and donald trump. when i looked at these two speeches this week, what i saw was over here you have donald trump which is a grab bag of protectionism and tax the rich and hillary clinton was ac grab bag of tax increases for the rich. the only difference is hillary polls slightly better. the market, if you agree with polls, market for tax increases on the rich is strong. whether it is old democratic medicine or not, it is more popular. >> both candidates spoke about trade. it is one of the big issues in the republican and democratic races. let's hear what they said in speeches this week. >> mr. trump may talk a big game on trade. his approach is based on fear, not strength. >> hillary clinton has supported trade deals stripping this city and this country of its jobs and wealth.
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>> your thoughts, at least trump is consistent, you can argue right or wrong, he is consistent. clinton has done 180 degree flip. >> trump is consistent 19th century republican when the party believed in tariffs and the federal government was funded by tariffs and sale of land. we have income tax and things have changed. hillary clinton as you say did a somer salt, a versatility of conviction, it shows in this case particularly. the amazing thing is that no one since mckinley has won, running on protection. this year will be the difference. someone close to free trade is going to win. >> the political center in this country on that issue has shifted between bernie sanders and donald trump has brought it about. >> i was going to say it has
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shifted. there's a new way to message about it. it is unfortunate that in this campaign we have seen denigration of change. i talked to a dairy farmer that likes donald trump, likes the way he talks about law and order. i think there has to be a new way to talk trade and has to be a better solution. >> trade is the idea of a new trade deal forbidden. hillary clinton said in her speech i am against it, i will be against it as president. >> again, a lot of this is talk. what's actually going to happen. i have to look at the week as a whole.
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bernie sanders proving that he brought a third home, vacation home on lake champlain.
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she says entertaining is hard. the trick is to make it easier. she's been doing that for 17 years, building an army of devoted fans. here's our powerplayer of the week. >> when you cook, everybody shows up. who's going to turn down a home-cooked meal? they are so rare now. >> the barefoot contessa, as
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she's known, has built an empire. there are many books. >> i've written nine. >> how many do you have in print? >> i don't know. maybe nine. >> it's like a vegetable stew. i would say, dinner is served. >> the place was packed at her appearance in washington last fall. >> i have an idea what the flavor, the texture, the scale, everything about it and then i keep making it until i get it absolutely right and sometimes i can do it on five tries and sometimes it takes 25 tries. >> that is her goal, create recipes for cozy meals. >> you can make something really simple and have the same amount of fun. >> how do you make it simpler, more fun? >> i always try and do three things for dinner. one that's made in the oven, one on the cook top and one made in advance. so it's kind of not a balancing
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act. it's easy to do. i plan it really well. >> but garten's path could not have been less planned. in 1978, she was working in jimmy carter's office on nuclear energy policy and not liking it. when she saw an ad for a food store in west hampton, new york, its name, the barefoot contessa. >> there was somebody baking cookies in the kitchen and i thought, this is where i belong. >> where have you been all day? >> it's a mystery. where have you been? >> i was up and about. and might have done some shopping. >> her husband has been her best friend along the way and her featured character on her tv show. >> everyone thinks he's goofy. he's really smart and just a wonderful guy. >> garten built a barn where she
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tests her recipes and tapes her shows. >> work is easy, fun is hard. i think people are drawn to people having fun and i love what i do and i think it really translates. >> how long? how long are you going to continue? >> until they drag me out by my feet. >> this gives it a nice, complex flavor. >> every recipe is like a scientist experiment. when there's something in my head that says, that's what i'm looking for, it's extremely satisfying and i love that. >> ina isn't done yet. in october, she releases her tenth cookbook, cooking for jeffrey, about her husband's favorite recipes in their 47-year marriage. now a follow-up on last week's powerplayer. katie ledecky made history this week at the olympics and setting two world records along the way. she also swam two relays winning gold and silver.
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a power player indeed. and that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next on "fox news sunday." donald trump accuses "the new york times" of publishing fiction. judges and the second amendment. the latest firestorm from what he calls the dishonest press. >> donald trump spoke off the cuff and took his campaign off the ralils again. >> did donald trump cross the line? >> we will start at home with donald trump and a controversial new issue. >> let me say this to my republican party, you are letting donald trump destroy the party and you've done it from the beginning. >> he is operating


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